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 Post subject: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:21 am 
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Super sportsman ( 35 Cars )

1) 99 Frankie Herr 2) 33 Scott Geesey 3) 5 Dave Berkheimer 4) 93 Carmen Perigo Jr. 5) 3B Mike Enders 6) 25 Bobby Hockenberry
7) 77 Russ Mitten 8) 30 Scott Dellinger 9) 11 Steve Fannasy 10) 00 Rick Barr 11) 88w Eric Walker 12) 43 Doug Dodson 13) 45
Dave Socks 14) 888 John Wolfe 15) 49 Mallie Shuster 16) 85 Jared Miller 17) 69 Jim Shuster 18) 77w Tom Wyckoff 19) 18 Paul
Miller 20) 59 Steve Wilbur 21) 222 Jay Fannasy 22) 17 Brian Gontz 23) 64 Stan Wanner 24) 66 LeRoy Martin

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91 Lanny Hake, 46 Duaine Smith, 14 Ryan Slothower, 22 Jaremi Hanson, 18c Dave Conrad, 21 Pete Lattanzio, 20 Eric Eckert,
2 Ken Keyton, 13 Cory Shifflett, 32 Gregg Foster, 318 Chris Meleason

358 Late Models ( 28 Cars )

1) 116 Travis Mease 2) 81s Bobby Beard 3) 80 Wes Alleman 4) 1 Gene Knaub 5) 15 Jared Miller 6) 12 Charlie Schaffer 7) 43
Jake Jones 8) 2 Scott Richwine 9) 22 Chase Billet 10) 1w Billy Wampler 11) 17G Mike Goodwin 12) 99w Chaz Walls 13) 18
DJ Mease 14) 5H Matt Henry 15) 71 JR Rodriguez 16) 48 Larry Baer 17) 21m Matt Murphy 18) 83m Roger Myers 19) 57
Tim Murphy 20) 0 Todd Bowersox 21) 64 Grant Adams 22) NINE Randy Stoudt 23) 75 Chad Julius 24) 55 Derrike Zirkle
25) 67x Bernie Beard

DNQ:

19 Matt Nailor, 7 Todd Leonard, 62 Devin Frey

Street Stocks ( 24 Cars )

1) 11D Sam Rial 2) 20w David Walsh 3) Super 7 Tim Drawbaugh 4) 11 Craig Morgan 5) 88p Brett Pickel 6) 16 Walt Lemmon
7) 80D Greg Diehl 8) 29 Jeff Haag 9) 00 Pat McNeal 10) 4 John Greider 11) 7s Kevin Sigler 12) 21R Steve Hastings 13) 1B
Paul Morgan 14) 9 Jim Gross 15) 55 Randy Croop 16) 22 Steve Dove 17) 14 Ed Halter 18) 92 George Harris 19) 43 Eric Tripp
20) 86 Scott Strickler 21) 3z Don Zechman 22) 99 Chad Smith 23) 71 Adrian Barnhart

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5 Dustin Hollinger

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:36 am 
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Thanks bmotb, looks like Jim Shuster had a bad weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:32 am 
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CONGRATS to Frankie Herr on his win after the tough break that he had at SUSKY last Saturday night! :thumbright:

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
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Any updates on Jay and Steve hope they are both OK

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:21 pm 
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I attended my first SNS kids night last nite. Very impressed with the atmosphere. All the cars in the infield. Candy drop was neat. Somebody expain to me why Frankie Herr started kinda close to the front. Hope Jay Fannassy and Steve Wilbur are ok. Good nite of racing for only $5. Left before Street Stock feature. Sounds like best finish of night.


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:56 pm 
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RaceFanRocky55 wrote:
Somebody expain to me why Frankie Herr started kinda close to the front.


I think the handicapping system has changed from a season-long point or dollars-won average (I don't know which criterea they use on Saturdays) to one where only the last few weeks' finishes are used. That is a LOT better system but Frankie had some bad luck lately and his average for that period was low even though he is very close to the top in total points.

Perhaps Mike Gill will be along with a better explanation. I admit to not grasping the whole handicapping/penalizing/"ghost" points thing...

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:01 pm 
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EdC wrote:
RaceFanRocky55 wrote:
Somebody expain to me why Frankie Herr started kinda close to the front.


I think the handicapping system has changed from a season-long point or dollars-won average (I don't know which criterea they use on Saturdays) to one where only the last few weeks' finishes are used. That is a LOT better system but Frankie had some bad luck lately and his average for that period was low even though he is very close to the top in total points.

Perhaps Mike Gill will be along with a better explanation. I admit to not grasping the whole handicapping/penalizing/"ghost" points thing...

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that handicapping is done by the cars average of the previous 4 races. Frankie had 2 dnfs in his last 4 races, so his average was pretty low, giving him a higher starting spot.

ghost points come in to play when a car misses a race. in that case a car is given 301 points for the race they missed to figure out their average. these points dont count for championship points, only for starting position. so if you miss a race, its almost like you got a win, and now you have a higher average and will be starting back further.


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:02 pm 
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I know how the system works; I just don't understand it or maybe just don't want to.

What a nice way of saying, "We're glad to have you back!" I think that in this economic climate, we should understand teams missing races now and then and should be thankful for every car that enters our pit areas. Things like "ghost points" are leftovers from an antiquated, outdated system.

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:38 pm 
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EdC wrote:
What a nice way of saying, "We're glad to have you back!" I think that in this economic climate, we should understand teams missing races now and then and should be thankful for every car that enters our pit areas. Things like "ghost points" are leftovers from an antiquated, outdated system.

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nothing like getting back from my wedding\honeymoon with 2 weeks worth of penalty points! :ahhh:

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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:22 pm 
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the system works to keep people that show up ever now and then from starting on the front row because of a low point total. I wish they would do something to people that sell there spot or drop out early so there point average is low. :buttkick: the next week they can start on the front row


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:07 pm 
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id like to see a draw for the heats, then handicap the feature, that way if you miss a race you only get penalized once during the night instead of it effecting your heat and feature starting spot. It also works the other way with drivers who drop out simply to improve their spot next week, they dont get a hand out twice in a night, they could still have to come from the back of their heat.


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:15 pm 
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Glad to see some guys dont sand bag. Gene had the perfect oppertunity to ride around in the back to to help his starting position for the next few weeks. I think he understands the object of a race is to RACE. Congrats to Mease for the win. Awesome job to RACE from 25 to 4th Mr Knaub. And he did it without even hitting or pushing anyone out of the way.


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 Post subject: Re: SNS Results 7/28/12
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:44 am 
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Gene drove a heck of a race as usual. He could of easily rode around the back to improve his starting position next week or even pulled in to save his equipment. Instead he put on a heck of a show for the fans.
Way too many guys abuse the point system. I think that if you drop out of a feature (wrecks wouldn't count) you should have to start at the rear of your heat next time out. The fast guys always get penalized to the rear, why not the guys that can't complete 20 laps.


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