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i hate to say it, but rules are rules. just because he races there every week doesn't mean he should get special treatment. all drivers, regardless of how often they race there, should be treated the same. waiting for him to finish would just show favoritism and then you'd have a thread about how the officials play favorites. Its a tough call to make, but i think it was the right one. Do I blame BMR for being ticked? no, i would be too. The Grove just better make sure they dont give any other driver extra time.

Ed you do it because you like it and thank you for doin it! Can you imagine what the daycare center would be like if there were no adults too keep it in line!!!!!

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This isn't the first time I've been involved in one of these situations and I'm sure it won't be the last. Many of you Lincoln fans will remember Jeff Busby, who traveled to Lincoln from Delaware every week to race his #47j. One week, he became involved in an on-track crash in which a car got upside-down. It took quite a while to get the track cleared, which afforded Jeff a lot of time to get his badly-damaged car back together. I stood there with his crew, keeping them posted on how track clean-up was progressing but in the end, they didn't get the car quite done. Jeff was very upset and complained over and over about not being given more time but unfortunately, a line must be drawn somewhere or tracks will be holding up races until every damaged car is repaired, regardless of how long it takes.

Ed

My ? is this. Why if they know they won't have a 358 consi do they continue to run their heats first. Why not run 410 heats, then 358 heats, that would allow anybody with an issue in 410 heats some extra time, and then the 410 consi and/or feature, that would allow any 358s with issues some time. running 358 heats first and their feature last when that's all they race is dumb.

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I did not mean to start a bashing thread, I was just curious. If what the officials say are true then I agree with the decision made. I enjoy watching BMR but rules are rules. The pace car was out there long enough and I am sure the drivers who were ready to go and on the track didnt want to continue to make continuous laps wasting fuel. Again did not want to start a "bash the officials" thread.

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2013 Totals

Lincoln:5
Grove:6
Port:5
Selinsgrove:1
Susky:2

Probably for the same reason that tracks frequently do interviews after the 410 race when bad weather is pending, changes and modifications are never even considered. IMO, all interviews should be after both races, not a 20-30 minute break in between when the 358 teams are ready to go, but especially when time isn't plentiful.

Again with the "facts" based on an assumption. In fact (a REAL one), there was a radio discussion between the starter and the general manager with regard to doing an interview. Since the weather radar showed the storm to not be moving toward us at that time, it was decided to do an interview but try to keep it moving along as much as possible.

How's that sneaker taste, 111?

I'm done here - it's too nice a day to sit here arguing.

Ed

Huh? I didn't say anything about last night. I said "tracks " (meaning all, if you don't get it), and "usually" (meaning in general). Congrats on one, non-racing decision being correct Ed, one that I never disputed. Good job Ed! This cancels out the 10+ bad decisions your team has made in the past few seasons, for sure.

Though even beyond this, if there was *any* risk of rain, doing an interview is non-sensical. If it rained you would have been here justifying it with "we didn't think it'd rain according to the radar" and this type of thinking process is why there are so many mistakes made.

I like you Ed, you tell it how it is. If anyone thinks they can do better then go apply. you can't please everyone all the time but trying to bust ed's balls for clearing things up in the best way possible is just wasting time. I know I would not want to be an official yet alone one that try's to explain the real facts.

My opinion is they do this so the track is better for the 410 guys so they can pass. Which makes sense for the headline division, but makes no sense in the grand scheme of things.

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2013 race count

Williams Grove-
Lincoln- 1
Trail Way -
Susky -
Selinsgrove-
PORT-
Path Valley -

50 races in 2012.
56 races in 2011.

I love sprint car racing...I've been going to races since 1984 & always travel 1 1/2 hours to each track twice a week. What happened to the 19m was unfourtunate, but that's racing. I am a Brent fan & I understand them being ticked. Here's my problem.......I routinely read posts from people bashing tracks, drivers & officials. This is supposed to be fun for us spectators!!!! If going to races bothers you or pisses you off DON'T GO!!!!!!!!!!! These are the same people who hate a TV show & keep watching it just so they can complain about it. RELAX, HAVE FUN & enjoy the best racing in the country!!

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Mach 1 mob

Complaints can get things changed for the better. Maybe that's not usually the case at Williams Grove, but it could be. If they got some good officials there wouldn't be any/as much complaining. People not complaining about problems is much worse than people complaining about problems.

Point taken...there is a difference between constructive criticism & bitching for the sake of bitching though. I am refering to those people....and they are out there.

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I actually agree with 111 on this point! I spent my working life in auto dealership service management and can tell you that the customer who complains is doing the business a favor for if he/she didn't voice their displeasure, the business would lose customers and have no idea why. When a customer complained to me about something and offered a suggestion for improvement that made sense, I rewarded him/her with anything from a free car wash to a free service. Many of "my" best ideas came from customers.

But I have to say that all too often, the people complaining about how racetracks are run don't know enough of what really happens to be qualified to complain. I read some of the gripes and think to myself, "They must have no idea why we do that" only to realize that they really don't. Most fans warming a seat in the grandstand have never worked at a track, therefore they only know what they like to see.

I was no different before I was recruited to work at tracks. My wife and I sat in the infield at the Grove or the grandstand at Silver Spring, Port Royal or Lincoln and wondered why on earth they did what they did at times. Even as part of the Weikert team, I had those same thoughts as we looked on from atop our haulers. But now, it makes a lot more sense. I will say that tracks resist change too often. Our local tracks all have a lot of history and what is being done has been done that way for so long that sometimes it's hard to fathom something else working better.

Ziggy, no one else wants the job. When I wanted to leave Lincoln, I openly invited anyone who wanted to see what was involved to join me any Saturday night. I posted that invite on this board as well as Lincoln's at the beginning of the season and several times during the season. By season's end, I had received exactly zero takers.

Ed

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