Video of the Rahmer incident?

poolguy · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:25 pm

SteelCityGuy wrote:

It cracks me up when I read people posting about Sammy causing a crash. Because, we all know, that no one else ever causes a crash to happen. Hmm I would list about 10 Grove/Port/Lincoln drivers who have caused more than one crash in their lifetime but I don't feel like expending the energy on my little fingers. Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash in his 40 years of racing but so have Kinser, Rahmer, Esh, Montieth, Dietrich and so on. Everyone just gets up in arms about it cause most people hate Swindell, mainly because of his smug, arrogant demeanor. Not everyone is gonna be a cuddly bear that everyone loves, like Jimmie Johnson of napcar. If you want to argue and say he isn't one hell of a driver, well, then you will lose that argument, like him or not. Enough on this and let's move on huh.

I have never seen Steve Kinser or Brian Montieth cause a crash.

SteelCityGuy · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:39 pm

REALLYYYYYY??? You've never seen Montieth cause a crash???

Calling all Grove and Lincoln goers, please enlighten this man, he's never seen Montieth cause an accident. :doh:

shafferfan88 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:10 pm **Posts:** 973

SteelCityGuy wrote:

REALLYYYYYY??? You've never seen Montieth cause a crash???

Calling all Grove and Lincoln goers, please enlighten this man, he's never seen Montieth cause an accident. :doh:

You brought it up. Enlighten us with your facts.

ziggy196 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:00 pm **Posts:** 118

everyone who is racing hard will eventually cause a crash it's part of racing but Sammy seems to cause more than most. every driver has this neat thing called a brake pedal and most use it. Sammy on the other hand races like it is the other guys job to use the brake and get out of his way. for as long as he has been racing you would think he knows where the brake is but he races like he would rather use the chrome horn.

auggie · **Joined:** Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:42 pm **Posts:** 44

i did wittness rahmer take out nicki young at lincoln and when harper asked him about it in victory lane his comment was . Al Hamilton pays me to win . anyone remember that :roll:

basketball1 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:24 am **Posts:** 28

Ask TJ Stutts about the 21. I was in turn three when TJ got run over during Speedweek at the Grove. Not saying it was intentional, just saying it happened.

And I was in the infield in turn three when Fred went over. There were a few individuals raising their beer, cursing and flipping the bird at Fred while half a race car sat on the track. I mean I was amazed at this display. For a moment I didn't know if Rahmer was coming out of that mess. I am not a Rahmer fan but that kind of behavior was appalling. I was glad Fred climbed out. He must be one tough ole bird. What would drive someone to cheer that, or any type of accident on the race track is beyond me.

uncle geek · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:53 am **Posts:** 651

Yeah.... the Pa Posse have 2 or 3 guys that think it all right to drive like that every week. :poking:

sprintwrench46 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:47 pm

GOSHOW wrote:

I think Kinser has confronted him quite a few times and Sammy lost every time. :thumbleft:

GOSHOW · **Posted:** Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:26 am

auggie wrote:

i did wittness rahmer take out nicki young at lincoln and when harper asked him about it in victory lane his comment was . Al Hamilton pays me to win . anyone remember that :roll:

Not saying both of those didn't happen but they happened on different nights. After the Nicki incident Fred pulled off that night.
Yes no mistake Montieth ran over TJ, but if TJ wants to be totally honest abouit it he got off the throttle and on the brake hard on entry, Brian never expected him to slow that much. Brian's mistake know who you are following, it wasn't like he was following Stevie Smith into the turn.

poolguy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:55 am

SteelCityGuy wrote:

REALLYYYYYY??? You've never seen Montieth cause a crash???

Calling all Grove and Lincoln goers, please enlighten this man, he's never seen Montieth cause an accident. :doh:

Why are you asking others for help? What did you see?

Montieth races with extreme caution when passing other cars.

Sorry to enlighten you....

:shifty:

sprintfan111 · **Joined:** Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:30 pm **Posts:** 131

SteelCityGuy wrote:

It cracks me up when I read people posting about Sammy causing a crash. Because, we all know, that no one else ever causes a crash to happen. Hmm I would list about 10 Grove/Port/Lincoln drivers who have caused more than one crash in their lifetime but I don't feel like expending the energy on my little fingers. Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash in his 40 years of racing but so have Kinser, Rahmer, Esh, Montieth, Dietrich and so on. Everyone just gets up in arms about it cause most people hate Swindell, mainly because of his smug, arrogant demeanor. Not everyone is gonna be a cuddly bear that everyone loves, like Jimmie Johnson of napcar. If you want to argue and say he isn't one hell of a driver, well, then you will lose that argument, like him or not. Enough on this and let's move on huh.

You could not be more wrong. Swindell is, by far, the most reckless driver ever. Hell, at Charlotte he even basically said that he does not care when he wrecked Darrah and McMahan and said "they'll learn". There is a major difference between squeezing people/causing them to wreck with no regard, and racing aggressively which sometimes causes a wreck. I would say Esh and Montieth drive aggressively, but they are a *very* different aggressive than Swindell. Swindell wrecks people, other drivers get into wrecks. There is a very big difference. He is the dirtiest driver in all of 410 sprint car racing.

hotrodney · **Posted:** Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:50 am

sprintfan111 wrote:

SteelCityGuy wrote:

It cracks me up when I read people posting about Sammy causing a crash. Because, we all know, that no one else ever causes a crash to happen. Hmm I would list about 10 Grove/Port/Lincoln drivers who have caused more than one crash in their lifetime but I don't feel like expending the energy on my little fingers. Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash in his 40 years of racing but so have Kinser, Rahmer, Esh, Montieth, Dietrich and so on. Everyone just gets up in arms about it cause most people hate Swindell, mainly because of his smug, arrogant demeanor. Not everyone is gonna be a cuddly bear that everyone loves, like Jimmie Johnson of napcar. If you want to argue and say he isn't one hell of a driver, well, then you will lose that argument, like him or not. Enough on this and let's move on huh.

You could not be more wrong. Swindell is, by far, the most reckless driver ever. Hell, at Charlotte he even basically said that he does not care when he wrecked Darrah and McMahan and said "they'll learn". There is a major difference between squeezing people/causing them to wreck with no regard, and racing aggressively which sometimes causes a wreck. I would say Esh and Montieth drive aggressively, but they are a *very* different aggressive than Swindell. Swindell wrecks people, other drivers get into wrecks. There is a very big difference. He is the dirtiest driver in all of 410 sprint car racing.

No doubt.

People can bring up a lot of past crashes that can be attributed to Fred's aggressiveness but the fact is he has toned it down and now races as clean as anyone. Most drivers do as they get older and wiser but not the Swindler. He's still out for blood whether he's racing for a dash spot on a heat race or 10th in the feature. Look out, you don't want to get caught on the outside of this guy.

hotrodney · **Posted:** Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:58 am

SteelCityGuy wrote:

Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash every 40 days.

corrected. :thumbright:

Brent Leach · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:59 am **Posts:** 8880

poolguy wrote:

SteelCityGuy wrote:

It cracks me up when I read people posting about Sammy causing a crash. Because, we all know, that no one else ever causes a crash to happen. Hmm I would list about 10 Grove/Port/Lincoln drivers who have caused more than one crash in their lifetime but I don't feel like expending the energy on my little fingers. Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash in his 40 years of racing but so have Kinser, Rahmer, Esh, Montieth, Dietrich and so on. Everyone just gets up in arms about it cause most people hate Swindell, mainly because of his smug, arrogant demeanor. Not everyone is gonna be a cuddly bear that everyone loves, like Jimmie Johnson of napcar. If you want to argue and say he isn't one hell of a driver, well, then you will lose that argument, like him or not. Enough on this and let's move on huh.

I have never seen Steve Kinser or Brian Montieth cause a crash.

I have..... they all have.

Dave Bolger #18 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:39 am

Brent Leach wrote:

poolguy wrote:

SteelCityGuy wrote:

It cracks me up when I read people posting about Sammy causing a crash. Because, we all know, that no one else ever causes a crash to happen. Hmm I would list about 10 Grove/Port/Lincoln drivers who have caused more than one crash in their lifetime but I don't feel like expending the energy on my little fingers. Yes Swindell has caused more than one crash in his 40 years of racing but so have Kinser, Rahmer, Esh, Montieth, Dietrich and so on. Everyone just gets up in arms about it cause most people hate Swindell, mainly because of his smug, arrogant demeanor. Not everyone is gonna be a cuddly bear that everyone loves, like Jimmie Johnson of napcar. If you want to argue and say he isn't one hell of a driver, well, then you will lose that argument, like him or not. Enough on this and let's move on huh.

I have never seen Steve Kinser or Brian Montieth cause a crash.

I have..... they all have.

Yea...........we've been on the losing end of one when he was "over the edge."

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