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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 8:59 am 
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Easy to say but when you pay the "big ticket" prices you expect the "big ticket" racing, not what we have been getting. If you want to pay the price to watch a parade of cars you are welcome to do so. Just remember who is really picking up the tab for all this and it isn't the Grove. The car owners spend a bunch of money every week to put on that show for you and they deserve better than what they are getting, Chew up three tires and fuel in one night and have no chance of getting it back because you can't race really sucks. Remember....every one of the pit crew members pays 10 bucks more than a spectator to get in plus all the costs of racing. They deserve better than what they are getting and so do the fans!!


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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:16 am 
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I agree with you 110%... I don't have a horse in the race at the Grove, but I can tell you that I went to this new restaurant on Rt 30 last summer it was I believe... It took over an hour to be seated, once they did seat us it took another 45 minutes to get a waitress, I ordered a steak rare with a side of fresh cut french fries, when my dinner came not only was the steak well done and not only were my fries still basically stick of raw potatoe, they had run out of clean silverware so I had to sit and wait for them to collect some from other tables and have them washed while my food got cold... When I tryed to walk out an refuse to pay the manager called the police so I was forced the pay... The point of my story is I, nor any member of my familty have been back to that restaurant since...

And speaking of horses and track prep :deadhorse:

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:09 pm 
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Good race teams keep notebooks of what worked and what didn't under various conditions. Do track prep crews do the same?

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:10 pm 
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I have skipped 2 or 3 weeks at a time the past few years after a night or two of lousy track conditions. I think in general they have the track prepared ok, but why do they feel the need to pound the cushion with water trucks after every race? I just cant figure that out :doh:


I don't understand that one either. Yes there are times when the track is really wet and they need to do that to try to get the cushion up higher but they bring the water trucks out to run around even when there is no cushion which is totally baffling to me. They should at least sprinkle some water around the top when they are out there and the track is dry. Port usually does that before the feature and it makes a nice multi-lane track.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:19 pm 
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I will say that IMO the track surface at WG is good most of the time. They seem to take a beating on here for a few bad nights out of the year. It's understandable though that when you pay $30 for a ticket, fans are gonna be disappointed if the track and racing is subpar. I didn't go to the Friday WOO show but I thought the track was OK Saturday although I think it would have been better if they would have sprinkled a little water around the top when they had the trucks out there before the feature. The top may have held up the whole race.

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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:39 am 
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Yes the track sucks lately, I hate to take people to the Grove. When they see a bad race they won't go back, Maybe not even to other race tracks. Let's face it the grandstands show how bad the Grove went down hill!! It's a shame she has one of the most well know race track in the world & she's killing it!! I've only missed 8 to10 races in the last 15 years, maybe I'll do. Some more road trips. Indiana not that far, Plus I love non wing sprints. Or start making other plans on Friday nights!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:34 am 
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Cut fireworks in half, and put extra money into a mystery spot, that pays a spot unknown until maybe a pill is drawn by the winner? It sure seems they might have to try something to bring more 410's lately. I know a little extra incentive can help in deciding where to race now day's. Most wanted more TT shows, and i thought they would bring at least 30. I guess more race where and when they can anymore. :dontknow:


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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:42 am 
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cjettmail wrote:
Indiana not that far, Plus I love non wing sprints. Or start making other plans on Friday nights!!!!


2 words for ya....wingless sportsman. Path valley is a lot closer than indiana. I haven't made the trip yet, but I hear they put on a good show.


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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 2:59 pm 
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I like the super sportsman thanks for the info.


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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 5:15 pm 
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I think you guys are missing the point here. Sprint car racing has sucked since the tire and wing rules have been implemented. It doesn't have a whole lot to do with the track prep. Port Royal is the nicest, most well prepared race track in the area week in and week out and the "racing" there is boring and predictable. Every car out there has a flat wing and the same tire on. Same as everywhere. Until the tracks decide to quit padding their pockets by raping the car owners and let them run any compound they want from any manufacturer they want the racing is going to continue to suck. Period. Put a dish back in the wing, open the tires up, and while you're at it allow cockpit adjusters again and you'll see good racing. What you see nowadays is garbage. It's been dumbed down so much that you don't even need a mechanic anymore, all the important decisions are already "made" for you. A lot of the guys you see winning races now would be lapped traffic if the good drivers were allowed to take the handcuffs off. It's frustrating and disappointing for someone like me who has been involved for 25 of my 36 years to see it come to this. They should advertise this as sprint car "parades", not "races". Actually, I wouldn't even call them sprint cars anymore. They're "limited sprints". Calling them sprint cars is an insult!


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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 pm 
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I was just thinking about this the other day and I think what has made the racing less exciting is that we don't have a couple of guys winning most of the races. Think about it. Now there are no big rivals like in the past. A different guy wins every week and we as fan just say well that is good for him. We used to get ****** because our least favorite driver (Freddy or lance or todd or whoever else before them) won all the time and that would make us want to come back next week so that we could hopefully see our driver beat them. We (as human beings) love great stats. They have not taken them out of other sports, you either love guys like Manning, Lebron, Brady etc. or you hate them. Nobody puts up great stats in racing anymore so there is nobody to really love or hate in this way. I think that is what has made it more boring for me and I am guessing others too.


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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:08 pm 
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I think you guys are missing the point here. Sprint car racing has sucked since the tire and wing rules have been implemented. It doesn't have a whole lot to do with the track prep. Port Royal is the nicest, most well prepared race track in the area week in and week out and the "racing" there is boring and predictable. Every car out there has a flat wing and the same tire on. Same as everywhere. Until the tracks decide to quit padding their pockets by raping the car owners and let them run any compound they want from any manufacturer they want the racing is going to continue to suck. Period. Put a dish back in the wing, open the tires up, and while you're at it allow cockpit adjusters again and you'll see good racing. What you see nowadays is garbage. It's been dumbed down so much that you don't even need a mechanic anymore, all the important decisions are already "made" for you. A lot of the guys you see winning races now would be lapped traffic if the good drivers were allowed to take the handcuffs off. It's frustrating and disappointing for someone like me who has been involved for 25 of my 36 years to see it come to this. They should advertise this as sprint car "parades", not "races". Actually, I wouldn't even call them sprint cars anymore. They're "limited sprints". Calling them sprint cars is an insult!


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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 11:24 pm 
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jz25 & SuperN8 hit the nail on the head. Everyone wanted parity and now we have it. Dirt track socialism at its finest is currently on display week in and week out. To me, sprint car racing is still 100% better than anything out there and there's still nothing I'd rather do but it has definitely lost some of its appeal. They need to get rid of the flat wings and these stupid tires and open it up instead of trying to spread wins out evenly and make sure everyone gets a trophy. 410 sprint car racing is supposed to be the premier division in dirt track racing. If you can't hang, get a 305. If you wanna be a low buck guy who tries to slay the big dogs every week, you have my respect but don't b!tch about running 20th most weeks

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 Post subject: Re: track conditions
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:57 am 
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I agree totally....let the racers decide what they want to run on all four corners. American Racer still makes the best tires out of natural rubber not the crap Hoosier is using. We ******** about the Goodyears and now we have tires that are ten times worse than they were. Of course the racetracks are getting the kick-back from the tire manufacturers so they want to dictate what tires you have to run. True, wings are the other big problem. Watch a guy out front with a so-so race car going like hell then he gets passed by one guy and gets in dirty air and he drops like a rock. Yes, parity sucks. everybody has just about the same horsepower so winning has to come from somewhere else and it should be the drivers abilities, but it's not. The drivers and owners put on the show and they have the least to say about how they race....SUCKS. Drivers and owners are the worst organized people on the face of the earth. They will do almost anything to race, even being pushed around by people who have no clue as to how a race car operates or what it takes just to get ready and show up at the track to put on a show for the promoter. Imagine that!, you have to pay to put on the show and you have nothing to say about how it's done. Worst part of all is that it's been like that forever and I don't see it changing. Racers have one basic flaw....they love to race so much that they will do almost anything to do it and will subject themselves to so much crap it's unbelievable. God help the owners and drivers, because without their love for the sport the race tracks would sit empty. BTW, went to Lincoln tonight and saw a really good race with lots of passing on a track the was not great by any means but good enough to take some rubber and promote some passing. They had over 30 410's and 28 358's and a huge crowd and a 50/50 drawing that totaled over 4000 dollars so the winner got over $2200. They gave away 3 prizes to season ticket holders, two kids bikes, extra cash to the winners, $250 extra to the 4 cylinder stocks and also ran a make-up feature first and guess what---NO FIREWORKS


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:32 pm 
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is it possible that in todays 410 division, we have many many more excellent drivers than we did in the past? When Freddie was winning every week, or when lance was dominating, what was the competition like? was it only a handful of fast cars and mostly field fillers? I think there isnt much passing because today, all the drivers are much more talented than years past.


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