engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by CH_88 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:06 am

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vaportrails wrote:At the very least... if you change an engine then you start at the rear of the next race. (ie.. change after time trial, you must start rear of the heat, change after heat, you must start rear of the feature)
Please don't suggest we change this great sport of dirt track racing into the bores of NASCAR like they do after an engine change. The team is already behind the 8 ball after losing an engine, at least let the driver remain the the starting spot he earned.
Exactly. If Hodnett, Wolfe, Dietrich or whoever else is cheating, so are the other guys and the drivers I mentioned are just doing it a little bit better than the others. I don't think there's a race team out there who doesn't try and exploit some grey areas here and there. Many times, that's the only place where you can find an edge on the competition. Especially now days since the dirt track socialists decided to ruin the wings and make everyone run the same tires with no adjustable shocks so that hopefully, everyone can get a trophy. The last thing we need is more B.S. rules like the one proposed in this thread.
I really feel a need to respond to your comment about cheating. I am more than frustrated that that people might think that everyone is doing it. I can assure you, we are not. You can only feel this complacent about it if you: A) do not put money into a race team B) do not spend a significant amount of your time preparing a car to be race ready or C) drive your *** off, to be beaten by someone who possibly is cheating. I'm not saying anyone is cheating, because I'm not a tech person, but if they are, they should feel a little bit of shame for not winning by set-up and driving ability alone. We like to win and need the money that goes along with it too, but we are not going to cheat to do it. There is a word called Integrity, I wish more people would apply it in their lives. I'm Cindy, Alan's sister, also known as the "Mouth" of the family, I couldn't keep it shut on this one.
I'm not making any accusations. In fact, I agree with you. I was just speaking hypothetically. I don't consider exploring grey areas cheating at all. Personally, I think the only ones who cheat are the ones who have the least to lose. In other words, the cheaters are those who don't have what it takes to hang with the big boys so therefore, we rarely if ever see them win. You can put whatever illegal stuff you want in a car but if it isn't set up properly and your driver can't drive, it won't be sitting on the frontstretch at the end of 25 laps. The guys who do win, worked hard to get there so I seriously doubt Hodnett or anyone else would want to take the chance of ruining his good reputation that he busted his a$$ to build. There's been accusations thrown around since I was a kid back in the 90's about Lance, Rahmer, Todd and anyone else who was winning a lot. As soon as one of them would catch fire and go on a hot streak, it was like clockwork. Immediately it was the fuel or the tires or whatever else some of the tin foil hat wearing zombies could think of. Apparently in their warped mind, hard work, talent and dedication doesn't bring success. I'm just a fan so maybe I'm way off base hear but common sense tells me, if someone can win races against the World of Outlaws or against the tough competition in Pa, they don't have to cheat therefore they don't. Your brother is one of those. He's too good of a driver to feel the need to cheat. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by BlueOnBlack21 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:53 am

Theres two kinds of racers: cheaters and losers :laughing7:

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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by Brent Leach » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:46 pm

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pushtruck wrote:1 engine/night rule? Stupid! Go one step further by prohibiting any spare parts into the pits.
How quickly that slope became greased. They already limit them to one RR, don't they? What's that? $250?
No ..... but even then if there was a problem with the tire they could change.
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by SLINKMASTERC » Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:54 am

i think it's stupid that if you change a tire go to the rear. Change an engine and start where you normally start. one think it would be the other way around. Id like to see the ones who change an engine start at the rear. It's only fair to the guy who changed a tire. seeing how the engine is a bigger factor than a tire. Schatz would win less too, seeing how they always change engines if they are getting beat.
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by Tig88 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:57 pm

SLINKMASTERC wrote:i think it's stupid that if you change a tire go to the rear. Change an engine and start where you normally start. one think it would be the other way around. Id like to see the ones who change an engine start at the rear. It's only fair to the guy who changed a tire. seeing how the engine is a bigger factor than a tire. Schatz would win less too, seeing how they always change engines if they are getting beat.
BINGO, I have been saying this for years. Also if your a top TT and cant qualify in a heat race, you get your time back for the B and start 19th and on back.
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by Radius Rod » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:45 pm

I would have liked to have seen the fuel from the Guys car that looks like a character from Tlc's hit series "little people big world" tested when he made his pa swing.


Power mist has a product called Holeshot Methanol that they specifically advertise that it passes water tests....... That's not a yes or no on the question of legal or not its a beat around the bush www.kineticgeneral.com/pmmethanols.html



I think fuel testing should be done weekly and at random mandatory top 5 cars....
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by hotrodney » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:35 pm

pushtruck wrote:1 engine/night rule? Stupid! Go one step further by prohibiting any spare parts into the pits.
However an engine change after time trials should be able to be protested by any competitor. The engine be stowed by the track officials until a protest time has passed, then returned to the hauler should no protest developed.
I agree with that. I used to say all the time whenever the outlaws were in town that something was fishy the way so many WOO teams changed motors during the course of the night. However, logically thinking, a team shouldn't be penalized if they change a motor due to a mechanical issue and there is really no way to tell. Your idea makes perfect sense.
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Re: engines and engine changes, its time for a penalty

Post by hotrodney » Thu Sep 17, 2015 6:42 pm

On a side note, anyone notice how the cars sound at Port Royal with the mufflers. Some cars still sound much quieter like they all did the first year of the muffler rule, but at least half of them now sound just as loud as 410's at any other track. I heard the sound depends on the type of muffler they use but why are some just as loud as a non-muffled car?
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