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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:16 pm 
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STEVE PATTERSON wrote:
Can anyone see a number on that car? If I remember the 92 car had a red frame, ( team car 92 ) Man the was a lot of years agoI guess I could be wrong..


Let me see. One of the few phtography terms i know, overexposure from the sun on the tail.
A term i also like to use on occasion in the summer. Think you are right though, that is Kenny driving but i have seen Kenny run the 92 car before.


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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:47 pm 
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This might be the same car ? Image

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:38 pm 
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EdC wrote:
If that photo is from 1973, the car has to be Bob Weikert's first sprint car, "Old Blue," a 1972 Trevis that was restored by Paul Pitzer following its retirement after the 1977 Florida Winternationals, "re-restored" by me in 1989 and is now on display at the Eastern Museum of Motor Racing. But Bob told me that "Old Blue" was never run with a wing, so that makes the car Bob's second Trevis sprint car, "New Blue," but I didn't think Bob bought "New Blue" until later than 1973. "New Blue" was run with both a small block and a big block; that is a small block in the photo and I don't think the frame rails are splayed enough for a big block, so that would make it "Old Blue." Also, I think that all of Bob's early cars had blue frames, thus their names. Although some Weikert cars had red frames, Bob didn't care for them, which is why most #29s had blue frames.

Obviously, I'm confused and don't know which one of Bob's first two cars that one is but thought I'd throw that info out there.

By the way, Bob didn't get into big displacement engines until after that time period. If I recall correctly, "Old Blue's" engine was a 377 (or so) cubic-inch small-block. The exact displacement is on the placard beside the car at the EMMR.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:36 am 
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EdC wrote:
If that photo is from 1973, the car has to be Bob Weikert's first sprint car, "Old Blue," a 1972 Trevis that was restored by Paul Pitzer following its retirement after the 1977 Florida Winternationals, "re-restored" by me in 1989 and is now on display at the Eastern Museum of Motor Racing. But Bob told me that "Old Blue" was never run with a wing, so that makes the car Bob's second Trevis sprint car, "New Blue," but I didn't think Bob bought "New Blue" until later than 1973. "New Blue" was run with both a small block and a big block; that is a small block in the photo and I don't think the frame rails are splayed enough for a big block, so that would make it "Old Blue." Also, I think that all of Bob's early cars had blue frames, thus their names. Although some Weikert cars had red frames, Bob didn't care for them, which is why most #29s had blue frames.

Obviously, I'm confused and don't know which one of Bob's first two cars that one is but thought I'd throw that info out there.

By the way, Bob didn't get into big displacement engines until after that time period. If I recall correctly, "Old Blue's" engine was a 377 (or so) cubic-inch small-block. The exact displacement is on the placard beside the car at the EMMR.

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A 377ci would have been a 3/4 stroker (GO?).. Which was a real go getter back then..

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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Actually, the engine in "Old Blue" is a stroked 327.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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What's the deal with the side pod???? - I've seen them on a few other cars/photos of this vintage


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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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Nicknamed Corn Pickers,they gave the cars more down force.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:24 pm 
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That's what I figured.....and "Corn Picker" sounds much more sprint car than 'side pod'
did they work on the shorter tracks?
Let me guess - Kenny was the first one to use them?????

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:23 pm 
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Let`s try this again. The car pictured is not a Trevis built car, it`s a Kenny Weld built car. Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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hopkins1 wrote:
Let`s try this again. The car pictured is not a Trevis built car, it`s a Kenny Weld built car. Bob



It is a Kenny Weld built copy, with a few of his ideas applied. Trevis cars were cadillacs. Weld cars were more refined & built lighter.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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That might well be - I was just attending my first sprint car race (at Wiliams Grove, by the way) when Bob was beginning his illustrious career as a car owner. I became a Weikert fan at that first race; I thought the 29 was best-looking car there, so I naturally picked it to root for. Little did I know what the future held for Bob and me. Anyway, my knowledge of the "earliest years" is fuzzy and based only upon what I learned from Bob over 10 years later.

On another note, we just moved and today is yet another unpacking day. I just discovered and re-read Open Wheel issues number one and two, which were published in 1980 and sent to me along with several others a few years ago by a Shotgun Sports Magazine reader of mine. Lots of Weikert photos in them, including Paul Pitzer in a wingless #46 Weikert Livestock sprinter. Some of the content in them (that first issue especially) wouldn't get out of an editor's office today - a topless fan, trophy girls with a lot of "chest" hanging out and some T-shirts that would be considered very politically incorrect these days.

Those first two issues contained several articles that are current today. Two of the most applicable were on the out-of-control costs of racing (yes, in 1980!) and the WoO vs. the PA Posse.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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" Two of the most applicable were on the out-of-control costs of racing (yes, in 1980!)"


I am an early racing history student and the earliest article I`ve read lately on out of control costs in racing dates from 1913.

If I were to take a look I`m sure I can find some earlier than that. Some things never change and the high cost of racing is one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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EdC wrote:
That might well be - I was just attending my first sprint car race (at Wiliams Grove, by the way) when Bob was beginning his illustrious career as a car owner. I became a Weikert fan at that first race; I thought the 29 was best-looking car there, so I naturally picked it to root for. Little did I know what the future held for Bob and me. Anyway, my knowledge of the "earliest years" is fuzzy and based only upon what I learned from Bob over 10 years later.

On another note, we just moved and today is yet another unpacking day. I just discovered and re-read Open Wheel issues number one and two, which were published in 1980 and sent to me along with several others a few years ago by a Shotgun Sports Magazine reader of mine. Lots of Weikert photos in them, including Paul Pitzer in a wingless #46 Weikert Livestock sprinter. Some of the content in them (that first issue especially) wouldn't get out of an editor's office today - a topless fan, trophy girls with a lot of "chest" hanging out and some T-shirts that would be considered very politically incorrect these days.

Those first two issues contained several articles that are current today. Two of the most applicable were on the out-of-control costs of racing (yes, in 1980!) and the WoO vs. the PA Posse.

Ed


The #46 was his USAC number for the Reading fairgrounds races. Bob was by far the outspoken owner I have ever heard in a Victory Lane speech. Share some of your photos when you get around to it. Ed.

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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:57 pm 
I'm thinking this was the same car Kenny ran against USAC a month before the Nat'l. Open. It originally carried #94, as 29 and 92 were already in use with USAC. After that race, it was re-numbered 29. Kenny wrecked the car in time trials at the USAC show, loaded up and was ready to head to the shop, get the other car and race at Lincoln, but USAC wouldn't let him leave once he was signed in. This was the first spat between Jack and USAC that was the start of the divorce between USAC and the Grove in the 70s.


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 Post subject: Re: Kenny Weld 1973
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Is "old blue" the one that was, on occasion, displayed in the infield at the Grove and perhaps at the Port- lots o' chrome, and, as I recall, with Paul Pitzer as the driver??????? Is that the one at the EMMR????


Yes. In the mid-1980s, I was the president of the local GM parts and service managers club and was asked by Chevrolet to have a display at that August's Super Chevy Sunday event at Maple Grove Raceway. I knew Chevrolet would have new cars in their display next to ours and there would be plenty of straight-line cars around, so I tried to round up some dirt cars. Bob Fannasy loaned me a super sportsman, Jim Bernhisel(sp?) let us use a late model and there were a few others but I was having trouble getting a sprint car. Every multi-car team I asked gave me "definite maybes" but I needed something surer than that. The only car owner I hadn't asked was Bob Weikert because his arms-across-the-chest scowl from atop his trailer said, "Go away, boy - you bother me!"

When the event was just three weeks away, I worked up the courage to call the Weikert's Livestock "race farm" (that was the listing in the Adams County phone directory). Doug Wolfgang answered and I was tongue-tied for a second - I was speaking with THE Doug Wolfgang - but I eventually spit out what I wanted. Doug said they had just the car for me and I should be at the shop at 9:00 Saturday morning as Bob was always there at that time. Doug told me that if Bob liked me, anything he had was mine to use but if not, well...

Bob liked me and we walked to the building behind the race shop where I found old sprint car frames with bodywork stacked on top of each other with names like Wolfgang, Kauffman, Davis and others on them. "We run a car 30 shows then sell it," Bob told me, "but I keep the good ones - don't want to have to race against them, you know." I later discovered that there were enough big-block engine parts and wheels, ungrooved Firestone 500 drag tires and other old sprint car parts in the attic of that building to fully restore a couple of those historic cars. But that day, Bob walked me to the last bay in the garage and proudly introduced me to "Old Blue." I could see that it had been restored but it was filthy and scuffed and scratched from being displayed someplace where kids had climbed all over it. It was a breezy day and when we rolled it outside, a cloud of dust blew off of it. Paul Pitzer had done the restoration and it was nothing short of beautiful.

Bob gave me an open trailer to haul it on and I took it back to the dealership where I worked and began the task of "re-restoring" it. Scuffed lettering was touched up, rusty chrome was redone, missing items like spark plug wires were replaced and I spent more hours than I want to remember cleaning and polishing it. But it was a huge hit at SCS - when word spread about what was in that second Chevrolet tent, people stood in line for hours to see it. We eventually pushed all the dirt cars outside the tent so more people could look at them and take pictures of them.

A few months later, the new issue of Super Chevy Sunday Magazine had a multi-page shoot of "Old Blue" and the other dirt cars. It was a first for the magazine's photographers to see dirt cars at a SCS event and the first time - and maybe only time - that dirt cars appeared in that magazine. Bob was so proud of the spread that he gave me a 24' Gold Rush trailer to keep "Old Blue" in and take it to other places for display. I wound up traveling with the team any time they wanted two cars at the track and often received calls at all hours of the night advising me that the only car they taken had been badly damaged and they needed another one from the shop at the track the next day. I was a lot younger then and that was fun. Bob bought me two World of Outlaws memberships so pit passes would be discounted, so I would often call one of my nephews or Ken Duke, the service manager at Paul Stine Chevrolet in Selinsgrove, to be my helper. Kenny was always up for a race and like me, never took a "vacation" so he had vacation days to burn.

I then started pursuing a sponsorship for Bob from Chevrolet - it took two years but the corporate office eventually recommended to the local Chevrolet dealers' ad group that they sponsor the team and Gary Lawrence, who we all know is huge racing fan and who was a "closet" Weikert fan, presented a check from the Keystone Chevy Dealers to Bob for $50,000. That's fifty grand in 1988 dollars! One of the conditions of the sponsorship was that "Old Blue" be available for showroom displays and I would tow the trailer to a dealership, set the display up and leave the trailer there until I returned for the car. I would haul it to the next dealership, give it a quick detailing and set the display up again. The displays at race tracks like Williams Grove were fun because the car had history at most of them but a complete wash-and-dry was needed afterward, not just a quick wipe-off, so I limited the number of those displays.

That was a time in my life that I'll never forget and I went back to spending my free time shooting trap toward the end of Bob's days as a car owner because it hurt to see him watching his car run from inside a van parked in the track's infield. He really was the glue that held that team together and it was his moxie that made it successful.

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