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Why is there so many more super late models than 410 sprints? Speedweek is a perfect example. Late models are getting 45-50. Sprints are lucky to get 30. I always thought late models were just as expensive. Just curious.

There are more tracks within a resonable distance and they are willing to travel(unlike the sprints) for the purses offered. Hagerstown, Port, Selinsgrove, Roaring Knob, Bedford, Winchester have cars, plus the WoO late model guys are actually allowed to race(unlike the sprints) at non-WoO sanctioned tracks, so they show up if the schedule allows along with other guys willing to travel longer distances to run a series of races.

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Because the overall cost of running a late model is less expensive than a sprint car. Motor rebuilds, drivetrain rebuilds, tires & the fact that the purses are much better overall with the bigger paying races. Most of the biggest races are east of the Mississippi. Travel expenses.

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24 410's & a cloud of dust!!

I agree, count the number of tracks in the state that run some form of late models and compare that to the number of tracks that run 410 sprints. Some of the late models that show up at bigger late model events aren't even super late models, but with the right setup an unlimited steel block and/or a 358 can be pretty competitive.

What and where are you basing (overall cost of running a late model) your information on? And comparitively, what is the difference between the sprint speedweeks and late model speedweeks purses?

yeah.. I was wondering the samething myself John.. Wheres he getting his info from???

Anyone know what a rolling sprintcar cost?? just drop an engine in it and go.. How much???

The World Of Outlaw Late Model Series is under the same World Racing Group banner as the WoO Sprint cars, so wouldn't that rule of "not being able to race elsewhere crap" apply to them as well? Looks like many of the top guys in WoO Late Model points were at Williams Grove.

Nope world of outlaw late models can run whenever and where ever. I always thought super late model engines where bigger cubic inch wise than 410's so i assumed the cost might be more.

I've said all along that sprint car engine costs would go down if the cubic inch limit was lifted. You don't need the super-high compression ratios of a 410 when you have the torque from a big displacement engine and since that high compression wears parts faster, bigger engines with sensible compression ratios pull as hard but live longer. SLMs also are carbureted and the intake system is less costly than that of a fuel-injected sprint car engine. I don't know what a new SLM engine costs but I do know that rebuilds are fewer and father between, so their net cost is lower.

I'm a sprint fan, pure and simple, but I see a lot I like in the SLMs. It's closer to a run-whatcha-brung deal, so they aren't nearly as cookie-cutter under the skin as sprint cars now are. And a $5,000-to-win speedweek series that's only three years old drawing an average of almost 48 cars through four races? How many 410s did our $5,000-to-win Keystone Cup series draw on average with less travel mileage involved - 25? I'm telling you, rules are expensive to comply with and you can't say that SLM racing is follow-the-leader! Gene Knaub started 13th against some of the best in the SLM business and dropped to sixth on the last lap, thanks to a caution. Jason Covert spun on lap four and came from last to finish fifth with no huge crashes, a lot of cautions or a bunch of mechanical failures to help him. And their normal features are 40-lap affairs, so the fans get more racing bang for their buck. I'm not positive about this, but I don't think the leader lapped more than a half-dozen cars - that's pretty good parity over 40 laps for a class where the pump and Whistler box aren't needed!

And they aren't slouches, either. Those 2,200-pound machines circled the Grove last night two seconds faster than the 1,500-pound 358 sprinters and about two seconds slower than the 1,400-pound 410s.

Ed

its interesting to see the world of late model racing through the eyes of hardcore sprint fans

This is 410 sprints we are talking about, even if the cubic inch rule was lifted, the high dollar teams would still pay big bucks to get super high compression ratios in those engines...so you'd have engines bigger than 410 with just as high compression ratios....being just as costly. of course thats just my opinion.

Not if you put a compression limit on them. But the SLMs have no cubic inch or compression limit and have plenty of big-buck teams, however runaway wins are not common. Accordingly, I agree with your thiniking but reality isn't proving it valid.

Ed

I'd love to see 1150 HP sprint cars in action. Cheaper? I really doubt that.

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Tilton Hilton
2 Speedway Drive
Mechanicsburg , PA 17055

2013 races :

Williams Grove 6
Port Royal 5
Susquehanna 1
Lincoln 1

Ask the teams that used to run big-blocks about that. But I don't think you'd see 1,150-hp engines - how would you hook that to the track with the dry surfaces we have so often and tires designed to not hook up? High compression and its more frequent rebuilds in one of those would be money wasted; you don't have the free-spending owners in this economy that we had in the 1980s.

Ed

There are LM locally with over 1000HP, so add injection and more cash and I'm sure you'd see 1150HP sprint car engines. And yes , they'll hook them up too.

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Tilton Hilton
2 Speedway Drive
Mechanicsburg , PA 17055

2013 races :

Williams Grove 6
Port Royal 5
Susquehanna 1
Lincoln 1