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maybe you all could learn something from billy kimmel. rip buddy..

RUN WATCHA BRUNG!!

I can understand the fan stand point and I agree Sometimes a big hauler can be overkill. But what most fans don't see from the stands. The work that goes on inside a trailer. Crew members checking stagger, mounting tires, grooving tires, getting spare parts ready to go incase they are needed. Unlike the smaller divisions there are no parts trailers at the track, so there for the teams need to bring the parts. Yes, you could put everything in a pick up and go at it. But it is nicer, easier, and most times quicker because it's easier to organize, and work in because its spacious. Besides most bigger teams have big money coming from somewhere, either it be sponsors or the car owner which allows teams to have a big hauler. They are also, a great way to promote your race teams to potential sponsors.

And on a side note, it allows the team members to stand on top of the trailer to see the races instead of hiking over to the grandstands. It also allows potential sponsors to stand on top as well, to see what goes on behind scenes.

One last opinion, these big haulers allow the teams to put on the show, that you, the fans come to see. It may not be like it was back in the day..... but it isn't back in the day anymore, is it?

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No it is not, back in the day race teams didn't cry about being handicapped like some do know.

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Central PA 358 Racing Series - http://www.centralparacing.com

2013 race count

Williams Grove-
Lincoln- 1
Trail Way -
Susky -
Selinsgrove-
PORT-
Path Valley -

50 races in 2012.
56 races in 2011.

Instead they cry about other team's budgets.

Back in the day, they didn't cry about handicapping because sprint cars weren't cookie-cutter NAPCAR wanna-bes. There were cars that were significantly better and when coupled with a good driver and sharp crew chief, could win from 12th or even 18th with decent regularity. Today, because of rules that have placed a stranglehold on imagination and creativity, everybody has about the same equipment.

To compare the sprint cars of "back then" with today's versions is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Back then, the frames were all of different designs, wings could be different sizes and shapes and in different locations; engines were all different sizes and tires could be Hoosiers, Goodyears, McCrearys or even grooved M&H or Firestone drag slicks of any compound you wanted to run. And scales? They were something on a fish.

It's a different sport today and what worked back then - handcapping, for example - isn't working as well for everyone but the fans today. And if we drive car owners away from sprint car racing with outdated things like handicapping, the fans will lose, too.

Ed

As is usually the case Ed, I agree with your post completely. Just don't lump all the fans into that group that handicapping is good for. It sure isn't working well for me as a fan because of the reasons you mentioned. I would like to be a fan of winged 410s in this area 40 years from now. We keep handicapping like we are and that won't be possible.

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Race Count 2013
Port Royal - 5
Williams Grove - 4
Lincoln - 2
Selinsgrove - 1

"If it don't have a wing, it don't mean a thing!"

There are many car owners in the 358 division that can and more then likely will replace the 410 teams that decide to get out of the sport.

I have yet to hear anyone on here cry about the handicapping the 358 teams have to deal with at Williams Grove, and they only get 8 laps to try and get to the front, unlike 10 the 410 teams get.



Or cry about not getting video highlights posted on here.

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Central PA 358 Racing Series - http://www.centralparacing.com

2013 race count

Williams Grove-
Lincoln- 1
Trail Way -
Susky -
Selinsgrove-
PORT-
Path Valley -

50 races in 2012.
56 races in 2011.

who cried about not having highlights Slick?

facts only please.

For all of your educations, Iwent to the Fod dealer and priced a new dually with what you need to race..........between $ 52 and 62,000..........depending on options.....I paid less than that for my terhome.....so things are always as they seem.

I'm not saying some peole don't go over the top, but you can't just lump everyone into a "catagory" becasue they have this or that. I have a few really good reasons for having a toterhome............call me sometime and i'll explain myself.

What I am saying, is that people who EARN their money have the right to spend it as they see fit and that should have nothing to do with the purses........becasue if it did, a WoO feature wouldn't pay a dime. NASCAR teams would be racing for trophies, etc.

Speedracer5, when you get your sprint car team, you can buy whatever truck and trailer you can afford and it won't bother me a bit. I will just be thankful that we have another car at the races and that we have someplace to race.

It is easy to critize people for spending and there is no end to it.........why does the Grove spend so much on fireworks and then not pay the 358's more ????

Why does the Grove pay the extra money for the All Stars when they only usually bring 2-6 car.........and not give that money to the 358's

Why does the Grove take tire money instead of getting nothing...........and make the tire companies sell the racing tires for a lesser price.

we can go on and on.............people run their busineeses how they see fit and people spend their money how they see fit.

speedracer5...........when I start spending money you worked for, then maybe you should tell me what I should or shouldn't have.

420 RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there are so many 358 car owners who can afford to run a 410, why aren't they? With there being fewer 410s and sometimes not even full fields, their chances of qualifying would be better. No Bill, I think your vision is clouded by what you feel is better racing TODAY, the heck with tomorrow. And again, I'm not a proponent of time trials at weekly shows, just treating all the cars fairly. After all, as I've said many times, whose fault is it that some cars are faster? Is it your fault that you can no doubt run faster than me? Or is it mine for being more overweight, older and arthritic than you?

I say give the so-called "little guys" a head-start and let them start up front in the heats. If they can stay there on an early track on which all cars can be fast, they start up front in the feature. If they can't, the ones that passed them in the heats start in front of them in the feature. If they weren't fast enough to stay in front for eight or ten laps, what makes you think they would be fast enough to stay there for 20 or 25 laps on a wider, more pass-friendly track?

Ed

Ed..........I really don't have an ax to grid either way and could care less if its handicapping or time trials or draw. I just love to race.

But here is another way of looking at handicapping...........you go to work everyday ontime, you work hard, you stay late, you never miss a day..........me, I come in late, jerk around all day, leave early, and take off two days a week.............and now its bonus time at work...........I get a 500 dollar bonus and you get a 100 dollar bonus....how would you feel.

Another way..........how does anyone become a better racer staring up front and not having to learn to pass cars, set their car up better, or spend more time in the shop to get better.

If you reward mediocrocy, in time you will have a field of mediocre drivers becasue no one has to get good.

On the flip side, I think we need to ask the fans what they prefer becasue without them, we have no places to race so how we line up will not be an issue.

Gene, I'm with you 100% with but one caveat - if the car counts drop continue to drop, so will the fan count regardless of the system employed.

Mike, I've around the sport since the mid-70s and don't recall that rule. In the '80s and '90s, we always brought two cars to better-paying shows.

Ed

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