SS vs 358 sprint purses

Stew · **Posted:** Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:02 am

JMO Motorsports wrote:

For all of your educations, Iwent to the Fod dealer and priced a new dually with what you need to race..........between $ 52 and 62,000..........depending on options.....I paid less than that for my terhome.....so things are always as they seem.

I'm not saying some peole don't go over the top, but you can't just lump everyone into a "catagory" becasue they have this or that. I have a few really good reasons for having a toterhome............call me sometime and i'll explain myself.

What I am saying, is that people who EARN their money have the right to spend it as they see fit and that should have nothing to do with the purses........becasue if it did, a WoO feature wouldn't pay a dime. NASCAR teams would be racing for trophies, etc.

Speedracer5, when you get your sprint car team, you can buy whatever truck and trailer you can afford and it won't bother me a bit. I will just be thankful that we have another car at the races and that we have someplace to race.

It is easy to critize people for spending and there is no end to it.........why does the Grove spend so much on fireworks and then not pay the 358's more ????

Why does the Grove pay the extra money for the All Stars when they only usually bring 2-6 car.........and not give that money to the 358's

Why does the Grove take tire money instead of getting nothing...........and make the tire companies sell the racing tires for a lesser price.

we can go on and on.............people run their busineeses how they see fit and people spend their money how they see fit.

speedracer5...........when I start spending money you worked for, then maybe you should tell me what I should or shouldn't have.

420 RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was liking your first paragraph

I was going to mention , not EVERYONE BUYS NEW

I AM NOT SO CONVINCED 420 rules :laughing7:

I tend to like him , but as a RULER :dontknow:

Bill Mc · **Joined:** Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:17 am **Posts:** 4989

I am not convinced that I rule either , but thanks Gene for the compliment. :thumbleft:

JMO Motorsports · **Joined:** Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:19 pm **Posts:** 408

I've got to work on my spelling and grammer..........wow........I get sloppy when stupid people rile me up :roflmao:

URC does pay $ 2,000 to win and has a $ 40,000 point fund. It is a great organization.........but I realize that it is not for everyone. I am geographically located so that URC and Central PA tracks are easily reached from my home..so ireally have some great choices...........I realize that URc is a haul for the central pa guys.........but on the bright side......URC techs, pays well, and has a great point fund..........it'd be nice to see some new faces at Bridgeport, New Egypt, Big diamond, Grandview, etc............not just at Wms. Grove, Selinsgrove, & Lincoln.

Bill Mc · **Joined:** Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:17 am **Posts:** 4989

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If there are so many 358 car owners who can afford to run a 410, why aren't they? With there being fewer 410s and sometimes not even full fields, their chances of qualifying would be better.

My opinion they are waiting for the right time. Why move up and run mid/back of the field right now, when they can wait to see what shakes out in the near future. Remember Ed I was always told the 358 teams don't move up to 410's yet that myth has been dis proven long ago.

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No Bill, I think your vision is clouded by what you feel is better racing TODAY, the heck with tomorrow.

That's funny because I just had a former 410 car owner tell me on the phone last week that I was 1 of the few on here that looks at the future and not just the right now. :dontknow:

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I'm not a proponent of time trials at weekly shows, just treating all the cars fairly. After all, as I've said many times, whose fault is it that some cars are faster? Is it your fault that you can no doubt run faster than me? Or is it mine for being more overweight, older and arthritic than you?

I might beat you in a race, but I am quite certain we would have one heck of a hot dog eating contest.

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I say give the so-called "little guys" a head-start and let them start up front in the heats. If they can stay there on an early track on which all cars can be fast, they start up front in the feature. If they can't, the ones that passed them in the heats start in front of them in the feature. If they weren't fast enough to stay in front for eight or ten laps, what makes you think they would be fast enough to stay there for 20 or 25 laps on a wider, more pass-friendly track?

Why not just adopt the ASCS rules? You draw for your starting spot in your heat race, then the cars who score the most cars in the heat race make the feature. It don't matter where you finish in your heat, if you score the most points then you make the feature.
Even batter take our Handicapping rules for the heat races and then use the ASCS passing points for the feature. It would not matter where you finish the heat as long as you where fast and passed cars, and the guys who start up front would not have an advantage over the top teams unless nobody passes in that heat race. That seems fair to everyone and would make the heat races mean something, unlike what I have seen in the TT shows I have been to this year.

EdC · **Posted:** Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:14 pm

You had ONE car owner agree with you. I have several agree with me every week - and some are from your so-called "lower-buck" teams.

I'm down for the dog-eating contest as long as they aren't those gas-laden Berks dogs our concession stands are peddling this year.

And I like that ASCS system, too! I wasn't aware of how they did their line-ups and qualifying; it's a nice twist.

Ed

Bill Mc · **Joined:** Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:17 am **Posts:** 4989

I only talked to one on the phone last week. :doh:

We can have it at the hot dog shop here in Hanover they are the bomb. :dance:

I didn't know about it either till last week when I had a talk with a crew guy about the possible 358 shootout races. He was telling me that would be a great way of doing the 4 races so it would be fair to all the 358 teams that choose to run it, if it happens. Sounded like a great idea. Said the guy who starts last in the heat could end up finishing 5th out of 10 cars and still make the feature while the guy who starts 3rd and finishes 3rd would have to run the consi. That sounded great to me.

EdC · **Posted:** Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:10 pm

I agree - it provides an incentive to race hard.

Ed

JMO Motorsports · **Joined:** Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:19 pm **Posts:** 408

That passing points system can also bite youmin the arse if the track is bad and there is no passing..........there is good and bad with every system.

We went to Kmoxville for the 360 Nationals srtarted in the back of the heat and the track was so wet abd sloppy no one passed anybody for about 5 heat races until the trackgot better.............there is no perfect system except in horse racing...........they start 20 abreast.

EdC · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:38 am

And even then, the inside, middle or outside of a track could be better...

Ed

lefty · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:52 pm **Posts:** 25649

The ASCS system DOES give points for finishing position, not just passing. So yes it does matter where you finish.

hotrodney · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:30 am

The passing points system works great if you like seeing the fastsest cars start upfront for the feature. Another problem is you get awarded passing points even if the cars infront of you dropped out and you didn't actually pass them. Lets say you have a 10 car heat and no one actually passes anyone but the 7-8-9 starters tangle and drop out of the race. The guy that starts 10th and finishes 7th would get the 6th and final transfer even if he finished a lap behind the 6th place finisher because he started 10th and finished 7th(gained 3 positions). WG and Lincoln experimented with this syatem and the results weren't very good.

I say stick with the sytem that has worked for decades and gives us the highest probability of seeing a great feature(that's the main reason most of us go). Last time I checked, WG and Lincoln had full fields for handicapped shows. At least half the 410 shows run now use TT's or draw now anyway, including all the higher paying races.

Knoxville had a great idea a few weeks ago when they had the top 10 qualifiers draw pills and give their pill to another driver in the draw. It produced a feature with the 9-10th starters(Lasoski and Zomer) battling for the lead at the end of the race. I'd love to see someone try that here in PA. It'll give you an interesting line up plus add a little drama to the show, both good things IMO.

Sea Bass · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:13 pm

lefty wrote:

The ASCS system DOES give points for finishing position, not just passing. So yes it does matter where you finish.

Thank you for doing your homework and educating us. :clap:

lefty · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:52 pm **Posts:** 25649

Sea Bass wrote:

lefty wrote:

The ASCS system DOES give points for finishing position, not just passing. So yes it does matter where you finish.

Thank you for doing your homework and educating us. :clap:

Somebody has to educate the uneducated. :idea:

Sea Bass · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:21 pm

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for the record, I miss TT's&TB's

Bill Mc · **Joined:** Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:17 am **Posts:** 4989

lefty wrote:

The ASCS system DOES give points for finishing position, not just passing. So yes it does matter where you finish.

I did forget to add that, sorry. My point that I was trying to make was the guy who finishes 6th and passed 4 cars could make the A while the guy who started 3rd and finished 3rd would not.

BTW got your picks. :thumbright:

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