Lapped Cars

Buildy · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:29 pm

''If the leader works hard to lap them then they should stay where they are if a caution comes out. I don't care what the fans want, that's whats most fair for the drivers. It wouldn't matter as much if they'd get rid of the stupid cone for the restarts."

Agreed! :thumbleft:

longtimefan · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:12 am **Posts:** 1248

How about we let the lapped cars in and throw away the cone then when greed flag waves let everybody race.

Wolfgang29 · **Joined:** Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 am **Posts:** 58

Excellent idea! :thumbleft:

winged_thunder · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:23 pm

longtimefan wrote:

How about we let the lapped cars in and throw away the cone then when greed flag waves let everybody race.

That's my vote as well!!!

JASTY-2D · **Joined:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:45 pm **Posts:** 1100

hotrodney · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:45 am

bezz wrote:

My problem with lapped cars on single file restarts is they hold up the second place car when the leader takes off and he's not allowed to pass him till they get past the cone.....he should have to drop down below the cone on restarts..

Exactly!

hotrodney · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:47 am

longtimefan wrote:

How about we let the lapped cars in and throw away the cone then when greed flag waves let everybody race.

I agree about getting rid of the cone.

luvracing · **Joined:** Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:47 am **Posts:** 189

I like that idea too!

GOSHOW · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:24 am

Not passing until the cone always was and always will be a BAD idea. Put the cone on the persons head that came up with that idea!!

Flying Tiger · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:25 am

Jacob Weikert Fan · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:51 pm

eatclay8 wrote:

Let's say your Adam Wilt and you just worked your butt off to put those cars a lap down and the caution comes out with 2 to go. Is it fair to mr.wilt to put those cars to the rear? If he had to pass them then so does the guy in second and so on....

EXACTLY ! ! ! !

Deez Nuts · **Joined:** Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:25 am **Posts:** 220

just playing devil's advocate here....

i think restarts would be harder on officials without a cone. if everyone can accelerate as soon as the leader does, it will be much much harder to spot people jumping the start. say you see someone in the back of the back take off....did they take off before the leader? who knows...you cant watch every car at once. at least with a cone, its easy to spot a jumper. I think without a cone there will be a whole lot more controversy over "so and so jumped and he didnt get penalized! he must be a track favorite!" or "so and so didnt jump but got penalized for it! the track must hate him!"

another thought...what about the guy in last place on a restart, at a small track like lincoln when the leader takes off coming off of 4, the last place guy is still on the backstretch, he probably cant see the leader...so he wont know when he can go, or at least wont be able to anticipate the start as good as the cars who can see the leader.

just my thoughts.

Brent Leach · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:59 am **Posts:** 8880

Deez Nuts wrote:

just playing devil's advocate here....

i think restarts would be harder on officials without a cone. if everyone can accelerate as soon as the leader does, it will be much much harder to spot people jumping the start. say you see someone in the back of the back take off....did they take off before the leader? who knows...you cant watch every car at once. at least with a cone, its easy to spot a jumper. I think without a cone there will be a whole lot more controversy over "so and so jumped and he didnt get penalized! he must be a track favorite!" or "so and so didnt jump but got penalized for it! the track must hate him!"

another thought...what about the guy in last place on a restart, at a small track like lincoln when the leader takes off coming off of 4, the last place guy is still on the backstretch, he probably cant see the leader...so he wont know when he can go, or at least wont be able to anticipate the start as good as the cars who can see the leader.

just my thoughts.

Exactly! There is no perfect way , but the cone to me is the best way to keep cars from jumping.

hotrodney · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:39 pm

Deez Nuts wrote:

just playing devil's advocate here....

i think restarts would be harder on officials without a cone. if everyone can accelerate as soon as the leader does, it will be much much harder to spot people jumping the start. say you see someone in the back of the back take off....did they take off before the leader? who knows...you cant watch every car at once. at least with a cone, its easy to spot a jumper. I think without a cone there will be a whole lot more controversy over "so and so jumped and he didnt get penalized! he must be a track favorite!" or "so and so didnt jump but got penalized for it! the track must hate him!"

another thought...what about the guy in last place on a restart, at a small track like lincoln when the leader takes off coming off of 4, the last place guy is still on the backstretch, he probably cant see the leader...so he wont know when he can go, or at least wont be able to anticipate the start as good as the cars who can see the leader.

just my thoughts.

Maybe but they will be single file on the restart so that makes it easier to spot a jump than it is on the initial start.

I'd just as soon see the lapped cars taken out of there because it makes the race much more interesting. Yeah I know that sucks for the leader but there will be times when the shoe is on the other foot and that same guy will be in 2nd place wishing there wasn't lapped cars holding him up on the restart. It all evens out over the course of the year.

Posse 19 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:47 pm

You can throw this whole conversation out the window once they go to double file restarts...Its coming..Someday...

I have always been a fan of the Delaware style restart..The leader sits on his own row and the rest double up behind...

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