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Just to let you know where I stand I answer before I answer your question, and I state for the record. I do not support the idealology of the so called "WOrld of Outlaws" and do not support them in any way.

People started coming on right away, granted slower with less volume then when if a local had won, especially when an underdog like Danny Deatrick or what if Logan had won at last night, man it deffinetly would lite up but for good reason. I thought you jumped a little quick with your comments and didn't really give the board a chance to respond espaecially since the Grove doesn't allow updates and I tried to follow the live updates, and who could figure them out.......... . So I thought you were trying to be a troublemaker and that was the ig I was referring too. While I enjoy the board and like to post some. I can get very opinionated, but I try not to start trouble. I don't believe in argueing with another ones opinion because after all it's just an opinion and deosn't necessarily have to be based on fact. I may however agree with the right to offer an opposing or differing opinion again as long as we don't cross that line. So if I was wrong and you were not trying to stir up trouble then I am wrong............ Carry on..........

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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body but rather to "skid-in broadside" totally worn out proclaiming, "WOW WHAT A RIDE!"

No problem Dave. I am a lover, not a trouble maker. I am glad you saw where I was coming from and that I meant no harm.

Almost anytime you run time trials, the track surface is used up by feature time and dry as a fart. That is proven time and time again. This friday should be better racing.

Quiet because folks were still at the track Congrats Steve

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Tilton Hilton
2 Speedway Drive
Mechanicsburg , PA 17055

2013 races :

Williams Grove 6
Port Royal 5
Susquehanna 1
Lincoln 1

No doubt a posse win would have taken some of the sting off of spending $60(me + gf) for a sub-par, pussyfoot around the bottom/no top track but I would have still left disappointed. We've got the best drivers in the world there, give them a good track to race on. I go first and foremost to see good racing. They can take time out for fireworks but can't take the time to work the track a little bit so we can see a good feature? I watched hotlaps from the infield and if you looked closely, you could see a few dry spots already starting to show. I figured it was gonna end up rubberdown then. I don't mind seeing the King win one. He did pass Lasoski and Dollansky early in the feature while it was still possible to pass so I guess you could say he earned it that sense. Congrats to the King, I hope they have a better track the next time the WOO come to town although I won't be there.

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Stimulate the economy- buy made in the USA.

That pretty much sums it up. It's been an increasing trend at the grove in recent years. They don't seem to care as much about the things that matter most to us fans

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Way she goes.............

This past Keystone Cup Fri night was just as bad as the WoO show. Came on here to see if people were talking about it like last year when there was such a poopstorm over it. $18 for that crap, no thanks. I am thinking I am gonna start going to Port and the couple shows I am interested in at Selinsgrove. Forget the local 20 minute convenience to Grove, I go to see good racing, and they are either not equipped to provide, don't have the knowledge or experience or just don't give a **** to do anything to provide that.

Someone put a call into Stewart or Kayne and get the buy out proceedings started.

I have been saying it for year, there are other race tracks that run on Friday nights and they have done everything they can to get fans to come down and give them a try. This past Friday night was the 1st bad surface of the year as far as dust, yet the racing was awesome.

But I guess its just easier to **** and moan about how bad a race track is then to go see another race track.

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Central PA 358 Racing Series - http://www.centralparacing.com

2013 race count

Williams Grove-
Lincoln- 1
Trail Way -
Susky -
Selinsgrove-
PORT-
Path Valley -

50 races in 2012.
56 races in 2011.

I wouldn't be calling Tony with an offer to buy the place because Eldoras surface is NOTHING compared to when Earl owned it. I've been to about 10 Kings Royals and the last one I was at was in 2008 when they were knocking the fence down coming out of 2 halfway through time trials. I loved going to Eldora... the camping, atmosphere, ect. But I'm done driving 9 hours to see a half a$$ed show on a half a$$ed prepared track.

I thought the track was a 7 on a scale of 10 Friday. It didn't rubber up & had a fairly decent top. Trouble is they have went back to packing the cushion down with the trucks Instead of just putting a little water down up there. It would have been a much nicer feature race than it turned out to be.

Just wish someone would listen to the paying crowd once in awhile. Lord knows the lady has no clue in calls for track prep or maybe the prep guy has no say in it either. Sad Sad deal.
They need to take some lessons from Fred Putney.

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24 410's & a cloud of dust!!

Your 100% correct Straight Shooter.. I don't know why they insist on bringing the water trucks out to run in the high side. That just kills the track.

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BUBBA on Howard 101

Curious which race you attended at Williams Grove this year, according to your signature?

On the whole track prep deal, I don't claim to have the answer as I have zero experience with it but really, is it that much of a black magic, how hard can it really be?

Fred Putney does a great job, no doubt, but is he really the dirt whisperer? It seems to me, and I could be way off base in saying this, that it's a basic common sense issue of execution. You can see what the surface is and how it is changing / reacting. What do you need to do to improve it or maintain it? The Grove seems to either throw their collective hands in the air and go "Well, no one else is gonna come through the gate at this point, let it go", or they just truly don't know what the hell they're doing and don't care or want to improve things.

If I was the pink haired lady or Justin and I was obviously aware of the continual comments and complaints of my customers, I would place a very pleasant and humble phone call to Mr. Fred Putney and bring him down on a consultant basis once or twice and pay the man for his appropriate help and opinion. Seems logical to me that's what any owner / promoter would do, or want to do. Any maybe that right there is wherein lies the problem.

Just like Ron White says, "You can fix poor and you can fix fat, but ya caint fix ugly and ya caint fix stupid".

Have to agree with Shooter the track was not that bad..Leave the cushion there and spray some water on it. You wanna see some fast exciting passing!!

I was there opening night and thought the track was great, I have been at TW every week since because commitments keep me there.

Mow before you ask me "Then how do you know what the track is like if you are not there? " I will tell you that I am pretty well plugged into what is going on at WG every week and have heard plenty of complaining from different drivers and media people who have all said the same thing, the track surface sucks more then it does not.

As for Fred Putney while he mght be the best in the area, he has his weeks where the track is junk as well, trust me I see it all the time.

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Central PA 358 Racing Series - http://www.centralparacing.com

2013 race count

Williams Grove-
Lincoln- 1
Trail Way -
Susky -
Selinsgrove-
PORT-
Path Valley -

50 races in 2012.
56 races in 2011.