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Attn. all super sportsman teams:
The new Hoosier tire has now been approved for the super sportsman division, and may be used starting this Saturday June 9th!

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He!! I thought you were going to say they could run with the 358 and collect points and awards. Since no one can tell the difference from a ford to a chevy they should be able to sneak right in and COLLECT!!!

That's nice. Will Miller have 40 of these feature winning proven "new" tires available to all teams at the track? Any additional details such as price, tire markings and how big these are?

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Green cars, peanuts & split tails in the pits...Who'd a thunk it.

Ask Frank Im sure he has all the info you need.

I have no dog in this sportsman tire fight but I understand that some teams were upset because Hoosier selected two or three teams to evaluate their new tire and the rest could not obtain them until the evaluation was completed. Don't forget that such evaluations can go both ways. These tires could just as easily been a bust - poor wear, carcass separations, accelerated glazing of the surface or just plain suck.

All of you have heard of or know Don Ott. He builds racing engines for sprint cars and midgets and owns a 410 sprint car driven by his son and a 358 sprint car driven by his daughter. Their engines are mostly built with parts from used engines taken in trade or experimental parts Don wants to evaluate prior to selling them to his customers. Consequently, Aaron and Amy suffer more engine problems that you would expect an engine builder's kids to experience and I have more than once heard them voice their displeasure to their father. But that's the price they pay for not having to foot the bill for engines themselves and for serving as their dad's product testers. Right now, Aaron is running an engine of a completely different design in his #77. It might be the best thing to come along in a long time or a complete flop.

As with those Hoosier tires, only time will tell.

Ed

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back when Lee worked for me we were in the R&D mode we designed a motor with two injectors per cyl. We call it the double down we were told we could not run it at the Grove because the motor was not APPROVED! WTF! I still have that motor but with only one injector per cyl. We just lent that motor to Bryn to race the race for his dads memorial next week. Nothing against Don, and you need to R&D if you want advancement but back when we were trying we were stopped.

I'm 99.9% sure Frank had a American Racer on the RR for last weeks feature...Not sure if the test was still happening at that time..If the test was still happening I think the verdict is out on the Hoosiers...

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Go Bandit!

The test was on the 19th when he won. Not saying the tire was why he won but testing an unapproved tire during a points race where no one else has the option to run the tire is a problem. Thats why we have test and tune sessions at susky or the option is always there to rent the track and test your new tire.

Also announcing a tire is approved on a Thursday night/Friday morning for a race on Saturday is lame. Most teams are about ready to roll by now and will be a pain to make another trip to Millers and the shop to get a new Hoosier ready. Would it have been a problem to announce at a drivers meeting on Saturday night that the tire is approved and can be used next Saturday? My guess is the 99, 18, and 55 will be the only ones with them on Saturday night cause they were the test group.

Are these the HTMA compounds?

Interesting way indeed to test a new tire...I'm sure it was the cheapest...The 18 car was a perfect car to do this test on since it has 2-3 different drivers...

Did the "test" teams have to pay for these tires??...

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Go Bandit!

I never realized the track officials embraced testing during the races so much, good to know. We have a bunch of different stuff to "test".

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Green cars, peanuts & split tails in the pits...Who'd a thunk it.

Im not sure on payment but all 3 teams have some sort of Hoosier connections.

Before you bolt any "test" parts on your car, Old Timer, make sure to obtain track management's blessings first if it is a rule book "gray area."

Joe, you know where I stand on innovation. I think our sprint car rules are too restrictive and limit the ingenuity and creativity of our teams. Aren't race cars supposed to go fast and isn't going faster the main objective? Someone is always going to be the first with something new and serve as the test dummy for that item. And before someone plays the "unfair to the little guy" card, if you hold up approval for an item until everybody has one and it turns out to be a flop, everybody will be out the cost of it, not just the test teams. Who knows, perhaps having both nozzles in the cylinder head as opposed to one there and one in the intake plenum would be better or wouldn't work as well but we'll never know, I guess, as the rules state if two nozzles are used, one must be in the head and one in the plenum.

But look on the bright side - all you have to do is get the WoO to change their rule and the local tracks will be in step with it PDQ.

Ed

This is good news for all teams. Now that AR actually has competition, maybe tire prices will fall. As long as the grove doesnt accept a deal from hoosier and mandate that only a hoosier can be used on the RR next season.

I could only imagine if they did this "test" with the 2-3 high profile 410 teams...That would go over like a lead balloon...right?

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Go Bandit!

That's obviously happened more often that you are aware of and is quite common in racing. Just as down-nozzle injection first appeared on just a handful of cars, the high-rail frames that are common today were first made available in 1987 only to the teams that used Gambler chassis.

Ed