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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:19 am 
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[b]1975 Williams Grove Speedway as the title says, but who's the driver of the #7 and the #18? I've been scratching my head and I can't remember. So give me some help!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:37 pm 
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:dontknow: But Sammy would not like those track conditions :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Have no idea on the #18, but I believe the #7 could be Lenny Seroka.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:09 pm 
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pwf46 wrote:
Have no idea on the #18, but I believe the #7 could be Lenny Seroka.


Yep, sure looks like Len, open face helmet and I've seen that 'pose' in the cockpit a few times. I'm not sure if its his own car, I'm thinking it is the Tasney car. The 18 is a mystery. I was thinking Lee Smith, but, it looks Chevy power.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Just searched and found the Tasney car, http://www.thevintageracer.com/westpa/cubic003.htm . Lee's pic looks like a Seroka built frame much like the one he built and drove for my dad.

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Just searched and found the Tasney car, http://www.thevintageracer.com/westpa/cubic003.htm . Lee's pic looks like a Seroka built frame much like the one he built and drove for my dad.

thanks Ron...

now for the #18 car :dontknow: , come gang you can do it :thumbleft:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:46 pm 
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I'm going to take my shot at the 18. Roger Larson. The years are a little muddy but Larson drove the Bogar 99 after Opperman and I seem to recall him driving the Camperland Country car that was renumbered to 18 after Gary Gollub drove it. It was 17 when Gollub had it. It always had decals on it but this may have been after larson dumped it.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:08 pm 
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Lee, I have Roger Larson in the #18 for the first 6 races at the Grove in 1975.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:24 pm 
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thanks for everybodies help :thumbleft:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:39 pm 
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searched my 75 selinsgrove results. maybe this will help or maybe it will add to the confusion as 4 different drivers were in the 18 car or the 18x car. it's listed as owned by Russ Smith or just Smith in my results. here's the dates of the features and who drove them.

Roger Larson #18 3/29 4/12 4/26 5/3 5/10 5/17 5/24

Gary Gollub #18 6/7

Tommy Spriggle #18 6/28 7/5 7/12 7/19 7/26 8/9 8/23 9/6

Lee Smith #18x 7/9 8/23

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:48 pm 
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No dust in that shot, even in daylight conditions, wow!!!

remember the good old days, when you could but chemicals on the track.
NO TREE HUGGERS!

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LEE GREENAWALT wrote:
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No dust in that shot, even in daylight conditions, wow!!!

remember the good old days, when you could but chemicals on the track.
NO TREE HUGGERS!


Lee,its not just the lack of calcium,etc.. that has today's track surfaces dryer than those of the past. The lightweight components on today's cars wouldn't last long on tracks like in your photo. The WoO screamed everytime they came east and found a wet rough track, so now we have hard-pack smooth dirt tracks with steamroller tires and even the local racers don't want wet-rough. A quote by Jim Nace comes to mind when, in winner's circle he said "If it was just a little bit rougher, it would be perfect". A Van quote, " Theres good ruts and theres bad ruts. When you use the rut to go faster its a good one, but if you hit it wrong and wreck its a bad one". That might not be an exact wording, but, its the way I recall.
Look at your photo again, and realize both those cars have NO POWER STEERING!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:58 am 
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LEE GREENAWALT wrote:
sprintwrench46 wrote:
No dust in that shot, even in daylight conditions, wow!!!

remember the good old days, when you could but chemicals on the track.
NO TREE HUGGERS!


Lee,its not just the lack of calcium,etc.. that has today's track surfaces dryer than those of the past. The lightweight components on today's cars wouldn't last long on tracks like in your photo. The WoO screamed everytime they came east and found a wet rough track, so now we have hard-pack smooth dirt tracks with steamroller tires and even the local racers don't want wet-rough. A quote by Jim Nace comes to mind when, in winner's circle he said "If it was just a little bit rougher, it would be perfect". A Van quote, " Theres good ruts and theres bad ruts. When you use the rut to go faster its a good one, but if you hit it wrong and wreck its a bad one". That might not be an exact wording, but, its the way I recall.
Look at your photo again, and realize both those cars have NO POWER STEERING!


Ron, I know, we can thank WoO for the track changes over the years.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:24 am 
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Some still like it rough and heaven help most of the others if they ever get it. We can also thank the tires as Ron stated. I sure hope the new Hoosier doesn't add rubber down racing to the mix this year.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:27 pm 
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Yes I sure agree with Ron that the 7 is the Ringtown Rocket Lenny Seroka


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